Building Futures: Tec Centro’s Workforce Impact with Robert Torres

Building PA Podcast September 15, 2026 3

Transcript

Jon O’Brien 0:05
Hello and welcome to the Building PA podcast. I am your co-host John O’Brien from the Keystone Contractors Association and joined as always by fellow co-host Chris Martin. Chris, what’s going on today? How are we doing today, Sir?
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Christopher Martin 0:21
Don, the sun is out and it actually feels nice out and I I don’t want to jinx it, but I want to say that maybe we’re moving into spring. I hope, I hope.

Jon O’Brien 0:32
Yes, I hear you. I hear you.

Christopher Martin 0:33
But that’s how that’s what I’m feeling like today, I hope. But hi, everyone. I am Chris Martin, as John mentioned. I’m with Atlas Marketing and we tell stories for companies that build things. And so let’s just dive into it because you guys didn’t come here to listen to us, right? Let’s get it going.

Jon O’Brien 0:36
Yes.

Robert Torres 0:36
It.

Jon O’Brien 0:49
No, no. Who wants to listen to us? Maybe my dog. That’s about it, you know? But yeah, let’s get going here. So, yeah, so what? Well, actually, real quick, we got a puppy. So. So now I have the director of innovation, my 6 year old boxer.

Christopher Martin 0:52
Yeah, yeah. Can I borrow your dog?
Oh.

Jon O’Brien 1:07
And we don’t have a job title yet for the puppy, but it’s a six year old like lab mix, so she’ll be on the KCA staff soon enough. Don’t you worry so.

Christopher Martin 1:17
That is fantastic and congratulations to the ever-growing workforce at the KCA.

Robert Torres 1:17
Mhm.

Jon O’Brien 1:23
Yes, you got it. You got it. Speaking of workforce, we’re talking about the real workforce, not the puppies running around my house here. We are talking about jobs in Pennsylvania and how to get people into those jobs, the correct training, the correct education.

Christopher Martin 1:26
Yes.

Jon O’Brien 1:41
And someone who who I met recently and was just super impressed by the operation that he’s setting up. And I’m excited to help and learn more about this operation I’m talking about is Tec Centro, the Capital Region. And of course I’m talking about Robert Torres.
Robert, welcome to the show.

Robert Torres 2:01
Thank you, John. Good afternoon and and it’s a pleasure to be here with you and Chris and I I thank you for the invitation.

Christopher Martin 2:01
Yeah.
Yeah.

Jon O’Brien 2:09
You bet.

Christopher Martin 2:10
Glad you’re here. Glad you’re here. Very important topic, I mean.

Jon O’Brien 2:11
Yeah, yeah, we met. It is. Yeah, we met about a month ago or so. And you wanted to tell me about the Tech Centro. And I said, oh, I already heard about it and I didn’t realize there was one coming to Harrisburg. So there’s I think 4, I think five other tech centros and then this will be.

Robert Torres 2:19
Mhm.

Jon O’Brien 2:31
Number six, is that correct? Is it?

Robert Torres 2:33
Well, there’s actually 6 tech centros, but what I what I can tell you is our center here in Midtown Harrisburg is modeled after one one that was created in Lancaster and has been operating for more than 10 years. They actually have two centers.
In Lancaster and they were so successful in terms of providing adult basic education, occupational trainings and allied, allied health careers like medical assistant, phlebotomy and and certified nurse assistant.
Then they moved on to teach skilled trades. So they partnered with Thaddeus Stevens, who comes into the community at their center and provides instruction in facilities, maintenance, plumbing, HVAC and refrigeration and electromechanical.
They also recently started welding. They have their own welding shop and and renewable energy solar. So they’ve really expanded over the past 10 plus years and Reading PA took a liking to their motto and and was the first center outside of.

Jon O’Brien 3:27
Awesome.

Robert Torres 3:44
Lancaster to open up, then Lebanon opened a center in in in their town and last year York and and Harrisburg opened our centers and we’re all at different stages of development. I’m probably the closest in terms of kicking off our trade program and hopefully in a.
In about 2-3 weeks, we’ll get our first first class started in the trades with facilities maintenance.

Jon O’Brien 4:08
Nice.
Nice. Well, let’s let’s back up a little bit, start at the beginning and kind of, you know, we’re excited to hear about the kickoff and to learn more about that. But but what exactly is Tec Central? What makes it different? What makes it unique? And why? Why should the industry be excited about it?

Robert Torres 4:25
Well, Tec Centro is is basically a bilingual workforce development center and it’s bilingual because we’re helping people with adult basic education. So people are coming in and if they need help improving their English skills and writing skills, we we offer that support.
We also offer employment services. We have a partnership with United Way of the Capital Region. So when people come in looking for work and if they have other issues like transportation, childcare.
Or or any other issue that is a barrier or or a challenge for them. We work within the United Way system and some other community-based organizations to get get them the support they need so they could either focus on getting trained or, you know, being able to work meaningfully so that they can support themselves and their family.
In terms of the the occupational training that we offer, because we have adult basic education, if there’s people that need extra support, we provide that. There’s been some people that, you know, I I recall one lady had a learning disability and.
We gave her extra support, extra tutoring, and and thankfully she got through all all her classes, she passed all her tests, and and she’s she’s on her way, you know, to to work in the field that she wanted to. So as we as we identify needs and talking to some of the adults that are here that they have, we’ll try
our best to accommodate. One of the things that might be of interest, the Keystone Contractors Association is a lot of employers have told me how weak either students coming out of high school or adults themselves are with math. And we know how important math is to

Jon O’Brien 6:11
Mm-hmm.

Robert Torres 6:12
Plumbing, HVAC, facilities, maintenance and electromechanical. So we had we started a very successful English tutoring program. I want to model something similar with math.
It’s not that we’re looking to exclude anybody, but I do want to assess what people are coming into to the training with in terms of the skill sets and and be able to say, look, you need to improve in this area of math because that’s going to make you more attractive to employers.

Jon O’Brien 6:41
OK.

Robert Torres 6:44
If you go out there and you make a lot of mistakes and you misjudge and there’s rework or you’re overestimating supplies and materials, you may not be employed very long. So we’re trying to, we’re trying to send a message that this is going to be very important for you.

Jon O’Brien 6:58
Mhm.

Christopher Martin 7:01
Mm.

Robert Torres 7:01
You know your your professional development and to the employers who ultimately hire you.

Jon O’Brien 7:08
Hmm.

Christopher Martin 7:09
Yeah.
I’m going to ask an obvious question, so don’t laugh at me. I’m assuming. I’m assuming Tec Centro is focused on the Latino community. Is that correct? Are you open to other?

Robert Torres 7:15
I don’t know.

Jon O’Brien 7:23
Hmm.

Christopher Martin 7:26
Others within the community.

Robert Torres 7:29
We’re open to everyone. Some, you know, some people made that assumption other in other communities where the centers are located in heavily heavy Latino populations.

Christopher Martin 7:31
OK.

Jon O’Brien 7:32
Mhm.

Robert Torres 7:44
Obviously they’re serving a high percentage of adults that are from that community. But I can tell you since we started a little over a year ago, we have served people from all walks of life and from over 20 different countries. So it’s not just.

Christopher Martin 7:47
Mm-hmm. Right.

Jon O’Brien 7:57
Hmm.

Robert Torres 8:01
not just the Latino community, you know, it’s open to everyone.

Christopher Martin 8:02
Oh, great. Yeah.

Jon O’Brien 8:05
Yeah.

Christopher Martin 8:06
And admittedly, Robert, the reason I ask that I’m I’m based in Pittsburgh, so like and I grew up in Lancaster. So I understand central Pennsylvania in terms of of of the diversity and those things. That’s the only reason I ask. It’s not nothing else. I just, I’m just curious.

Jon O’Brien 8:06
Nice.

Robert Torres 8:20
Yeah.

Christopher Martin 8:22
Um, yeah.

Robert Torres 8:22
No, it’s it’s not. It’s not the first time I’ve been asked. And it’s it’s a fair question because you know, if you say bilingual workforce and I say, well, bilingual, but it’s because you know, our English as a second language class, for example, people will come here and we’ll test them.
We’ll test to see whether they’re beginner, intermediate or advanced. And some people, some of the other English as a second language programs out in the communities are are just helping people survive, right? They’re they’re teaching them conversational English.

Jon O’Brien 8:43
Right.

Christopher Martin 8:52
Right.

Robert Torres 8:56
The reason we’re testing them is because we want to get them to a point that their English, their writing improves so that they have better opportunities in the workplace. And in the case of the trades, obviously so that they can engage with customers, with their colleagues, you know, in in the work, in the work setting.

Jon O’Brien 9:04
Nice.

Christopher Martin 9:08
Right.

Robert Torres 9:12
And and and be effective at it. So we’ve been fortunate. I mean people have improved their English and have gotten promotions. They’ve become line supervisors because you know they they achieve a better command of English and and it’s been recognized by some of their employees. So, so it’s really I would say workplace English or workforce English.
You know, versus just, you know, basic, basic English.

Christopher Martin 9:32
OK.

Jon O’Brien 9:38
Nice. And you you had mentioned you’re getting close to kicking off and launching a program, the construction skill skill trades. Are there any current challenges like holding you back or is everything smooth sailing? Any issues you want to talk about?

Robert Torres 9:54
Sure. The challenge has been recruiting instructors. We started advertising for part-time instructors. I was advised that that could be a challenge because some folks need even some retirees may be looking for.

Jon O’Brien 10:10
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Robert Torres 10:10
be looking for, you know, full-time work. So we have one program that’s going to be started in a couple of weeks. That’s in a, with a partnership with Harrisburg Area Community College. That’ll be facilities maintenance. So
And then we’re in the process of looking, you know, still looking to recruit instructors. Um, I’m revisiting whether.
Whether I can hire a full-time instructor, for example, if somebody comes in and say, hey, I could do a morning plumbing class and an afternoon HVAC class. So maybe that might warrant, you know, offering a full-time position versus trying to do it on a contract, you know, on a part-time contract basis.

Christopher Martin 10:51
Mhm.

Robert Torres 10:54
But it’s been a challenge. I’ve had people come in and they’ve never talked before. That’s not a deal breaker for me, but I need to feel comfortable that, you know, you’re going to be evaluating adults, kind of trying to recognize when they have weaknesses and and be able to support.

10:54
Yeah.

Christopher Martin 11:06
Yeah.

Robert Torres 11:09
And measure progress because ultimately we want to make sure that what we’re doing is working. And when I report out, you know, to different funders that I can tell them, look, we provided training, but more importantly, these folks got into a good position to to be employed.

Christopher Martin 11:24
Mm-hmm.

Robert Torres 11:25
By by companies that you know in in in the construction and the trade fields. We’re also looking for partnership with employers. That’s very important. I can, I can share like what we’ve done in the healthcare side, UPMC and Penn State Health have come in.
Their recruitment staff have come here, they’ve done mock interviews, they they provide presentations and said, hey, when you get out into the, you know, when you start looking for work, it’s not just about the technical skills. We can assume that if you’ve been trained and and you’ve passed your test and certified that you have the.
Technical skills. People are going to be looking for the soft skills. How how well do you work in a team? How how well do you communicate? And so they did a nice job. Actually, yesterday we had a lunch and learn series with Penn State Health presenting and and they did a nice job of preparing the people who are about to leave.
This week to go into about 3 weeks of clinicals, actual clinical practice and physician practices and then they’ll come back and and take their final exams to to get certified. But so I want to kind of model the same type of of process with employers in the trades.
Kind of build a network of employers that we can say, hey, we have some people that are graduating, you know, what needs do you have also to advise us, right? Like what? What can we be doing different to make sure that we’re we’re teaching folks the kind of skills and the things that.
That you feel you know are are most, most important for you when you’re looking, you know to hire.

Jon O’Brien 13:01
Mhm.

Christopher Martin 13:02
No.
In.

Jon O’Brien 13:04
How is the recruiting process going as far as students, future students? Is it is it high school related or past high school or?

Christopher Martin 13:04
In.

Robert Torres 13:13
No, it’s all it’s all adults. We we, yeah. I mean, if a high school student graduates and is not sure what they want to do and and want to explore the trades, they’re welcome. But we won’t. We’re not working with anybody.

Jon O’Brien 13:16
OK.
Hmm.

Robert Torres 13:28
That have been graduated from high school. You know, the intent of these centers is to really help adults, especially in areas like ours, right? Harrisburg has an extremely high poverty rate, much higher than the state average, and there are other challenges, so.

Jon O’Brien 13:29
Yeah.

Robert Torres 13:44
You know, in trying to help the adults, we’re really helping to support them to get, you know, meaningful education and training. But more important is to get those jobs that can at least get them on the right track to to have good employment with benefits where they can support themselves, their family and.
You know, overall help the community, right? If the more people we have working, meeting the workforce needs of of the local employers, I think it’s a win-win for everybody and and that’s really what these centers are about.

Jon O’Brien 14:04
Mhm.
Mm-hmm.

Christopher Martin 14:19
You mentioned you’re you’re looking for instructors. Can you talk a little bit about what like what are you looking for in terms of like is it like a project manager from a from from a job or is it?
You know the chief financial officer for a construction company or something like that. Like help our listeners understand what it is that you’re looking for instead of, you know, the really specific.

Robert Torres 14:47
OK, well, let’s take facilities maintenance, for example. What we were looking for is someone who has generalized experience in terms of a little bit of plumbing, HVAC repairs.

Jon O’Brien 15:01
OK.

Christopher Martin 15:02
OK.

Robert Torres 15:02
More on the commercial side, it’s not intended to be, you know, basic residential repair. So we really want to, we really want to make sure that what we’re training provides them good opportunity to, you know, to get into higher salary wage positions.

Christopher Martin 15:06
Right.

Robert Torres 15:18
So we’re so on the facilities maintenance side, we’re looking at people that can teach, you know, construction basics and safety teamwork, some of the soft skills that I talked about and then you know we have a a curriculum that’s.
All the tech central centers are trying to stay in alignment. Doesn’t mean we can’t deviate a little bit based on local needs, but you know, facilities maintenance is kind of a a general, a little bit of everything, including forklifts for example, and then OSHA training and things like that.

Jon O’Brien 15:37
Maybe.

Robert Torres 15:52
For plumbing, we have a curriculum that.
That we draft it again. Once we get an instructor, I would expect them to to vet it and let us know what they think. If there’s any adjustments that may be needed. Same thing with HVAC Electro mechanical. I don’t. I didn’t have a.
I didn’t have a curriculum and you may find this funny given that we had a conversation about AI. So I went on AI and actually said what are the most relevant subjects to teach in electromechanical or mechatronics as some people refer to it. And it actually produced a document that at least I was able to send.

Jon O’Brien 16:20
Yeah.

Robert Torres 16:33
Out to some people that work in the field and say, hey, can you give me some feedback? Does this make sense?

Jon O’Brien 16:35
Nice.

Christopher Martin 16:38
It’s great.

Robert Torres 16:39
So again, I’m, you know, I’m looking for people that have experience.
And although you know some people that have come don’t don’t have educational experience, actual teaching experience, it’s just important that that they they’re able to teach how to problem solve and I I’m not a I’m not an extra expert trades person so.

Jon O’Brien 16:59
Mhm.

Robert Torres 17:03
You know, the one thing for me as a layperson is to say, look, I want people to you can, you can say a black wire goes to a black wire and red to a red. I want them to understand, you know, how to problem solve, you know, the critical thinking behind problem solving and and that to me would.
You know, would be someone that that would be attractive to try and hire, you know, to get people to think critically and analytically and bottom line be a good problem solver when they’re out in the field or working on a project.

Christopher Martin 17:26
OK.
Yeah.
And that translates really well to the trades like that problem solving. I mean that’s literally what what they do all day. So that makes sense. And I will say, Robert, I really like that you pointed out that this is commercial construction, not residential and it’s not, you know, DIY, it’s not, you know, come learn how to do your own.
OK.

Robert Torres 17:39
Mhm.

Jon O’Brien 17:43
Yep.

Christopher Martin 17:55
plumbing and stuff like that. This is like workforce, get a career type of thing, right? That was a really good point. I, you know, thank you for bringing that up.

Robert Torres 18:02
Um.
Yeah, no, I’m laughing, Chris, because we had an open house back back in November, I think. And and and the people that came through, there were a lot of, Oh yeah, it’s free. I could do it. You know, I I I just paid $500 for a plumber. I felt like they’re going to keep paying $500 for a plumber.

Jon O’Brien 18:20
Yeah.

Robert Torres 18:26
Because this is not a do-it-yourself, you know, program. This is, you know, we want, we want people that are committed to entering the field. So that’s part of our job, right? To make sure that we’re vetting the people that that they’re here for the right reasons. And it’s not, it’s not just because.

Jon O’Brien 18:28
Yeah.
Yeah.

Christopher Martin 18:35
Right.

Robert Torres 18:43
They they see that we cover tuition and and they have time to kill, you know, if you will. That’s not what this is about. This is really to try to get people that want to work, that are committed to working in the trades and.

Christopher Martin 18:43
Mhm.

Jon O’Brien 18:52
Yeah.

Robert Torres 18:58
We have no problem, you know, investing in them and and and supporting them, but I want, I want a strong commitment that they’ll they’ll pursue an occupation in the in the field.

Christopher Martin 19:06
Right.
That is fair. I mean, that’s a fair, that’s a fair request, right? I mean, good, good, good. So on that point, is there, I’m assuming there’s like an application process or you know, like how does to help?

Robert Torres 19:16
Yeah.

Christopher Martin 19:25
To help the, you know, owners understand what’s what’s coming out of Tech Central, what what’s the process to become a student there?

Robert Torres 19:36
Yeah, if if anyone, if anyone that’s listening is interested, you can go to our website. It’s techcentrocr.org and you’ll see what we offer in every category of services that we offer, whether it’s adult basic education, English as a second language or the health programs or the.

Jon O’Brien 20:14
Mhm.

Robert Torres 20:14
Anybody who applies, you know, when we reach out to them, we’re interviewing them in in the health fields. We have to make sure that they have, you know, required immunizations, TB tests, for example.
Criminal background checks, because again, if there’s if there’s something in their background that prevents them from working in a nursing home or a long-term care facility, I can’t put them in the program because I won’t be able to employ them afterwards. We’re still kind of working on the vetting that we’re going to do, but.

Christopher Martin 20:33
Mm-hmm.

Robert Torres 20:50
What we end up doing, anyone who’s on our list for interest, we’ll go out to them and and let them know, hey, we have a class starting up in facilities maintenance in a couple of weeks, probably run 8:00 to 12:00 Monday through Friday for about 5-6 months. Are you able to commit to the schedule? That’s kind of the first thing.
that everybody has, went into class, and if they can’t commit, you know we move on to the next person, just say, Hey, if we have an afternoon or an evening class, we’ll keep you in the pipeline and and get back to you. Once they once we have individuals that commit, then we go through the process of interviewing them.

Christopher Martin 21:12
That’s fair.

Robert Torres 21:29
And and again, just trying to make sure that they understand this is a big investment on our part using you know funding that we get from the state and from private donors and and I have to make sure that you know that they’re going to stick to their commitment to.
to see the training through and and to work in the field, as I mentioned earlier.

Christopher Martin 21:52
Good.

Robert Torres 21:53
Yeah, we also we plan to do just a basic reading assessment and math assessment. We’ve had some interesting conversation because somebody gave me a math test that had, you know, getting the cubic capacity of.

Jon O’Brien 22:05
Yeah.

Robert Torres 22:10
Something and I didn’t even know what I have to go to the Internet to figure that out. I said I’m going to scare half the people if you get something like that. But it’s just a basic fraction, how to read a tape measure, you know. So we we may just give a, you know, maybe a 15 to 30 minute assessment just to make sure like they’re they’re no.

Jon O’Brien 22:16
Yeah.

Christopher Martin 22:18
Yeah.

Robert Torres 22:29
Areas of major concern in terms of their their math skills or their reading comprehension.

Christopher Martin 22:29
Sure.
Yeah.

Jon O’Brien 22:37
Are the are the students typically working when they enter the program and do you have to work around the work schedule or how? How does that work?

Robert Torres 22:48
It’s been, it’s been very mixed combination of all of that. So some if they’re part-time employees may have the flexibility to move things around to accommodate the schedule.

Jon O’Brien 22:51
OK.

Robert Torres 23:03
But if they don’t, then then unfortunately they’ll have to wait until, you know, we we can schedule a class that would meet. My hope is, I mean we have the facilities even though we’ve, you know, we’ve had a challenge kind of getting started. I hope once we get started.

Christopher Martin 23:07
Yeah.

Robert Torres 23:19
That you know we can have classes morning, afternoon, evening, possibly weekends. You know I want to take full advantage of the facilities we have and as long as as long as we have instruct instructors and the you know and and.

Jon O’Brien 23:26
King.

Robert Torres 23:36
And the and the funding, I guess I was going to say people, but no, the instructors and the funding to support, you know, increasing our capacity to serve more people. I I I think we’d be willing to do that.

Jon O’Brien 23:39
Mm-hmm.

Christopher Martin 23:49
OK.
Good, good.

Jon O’Brien 23:52
Nice. And the I know, I know you and I have met and Rick, Rick Sites who’s actively involved too. He he raves about the program and it seems like it’s good stuff. You know, it seems like it’s really, really awesome what’s going on there. But as far as outreach to.
To the industry beyond us, you know, are you, are you hearing anything from others? Are you reaching out to others and and how is the industry reacting?

Robert Torres 24:18
The industry’s reacting positively. I’ve had conversations with owners of different companies. Just to give you an example, one owner said I’d be interested in teaching blueprint reading. You know, I have volunteers to teach construction math.
But the reaction has been positive, I think once we get.
Jump started here. We’ll get our traction, which is what happened with the health program. We started with one MA class and certified nurse assistant, and then things just kind of took off from there. But no, I think the industry, you know, recognizes that there’s some workforce challenges, right?

Jon O’Brien 24:51
Hmm.

Robert Torres 24:57
This is, this is definitely a win-win. We, you know, we can get people employed and and helping to cover some of the gaps that might be out there in terms of the occupational needs of of the employers. You know, I think it benefits everyone so.
It’s been positively received. I’ve talked to, you know, ABC as well. They’ve been supportive. You know, I had some initial conversations with them and and they helped to educate me on some resources that are available out there as well.
I had a recent conversation where they said, well, you know, if somebody comes in and doesn’t have that teaching background, there are resources out there for people that are retiring, maybe closing their business and want to teach.

Christopher Martin 25:30
Good.

Jon O’Brien 25:40
Mm-hmm.

Robert Torres 25:43
If if they want to get serious about it in terms of building those teaching skills and and and learning how to go about it effectively in the classroom.

Jon O’Brien 25:53
Nice.

Robert Torres 25:54
Yeah.

Christopher Martin 25:55
That’s positive, positive reinforcement here and things are that sounds good, right. Well, so Robert, you mentioned earlier the the website, how can anybody you know obviously through your website people can get in in touch with you if they’re interested in being an instructor or?

Jon O’Brien 26:02
Yeah.

Christopher Martin 26:14
Are learning more. Is there anything else that our audience should know about Tech Centro and the programs that you have?

Robert Torres 26:24
I mean we’re looking to, we’re we’re looking to expand into Welding as well. So that’s going to be an area where we’ll need some support. I’m very interested in building a network of employers again to.
To make sure we’re doing the right things, to get feedback and and and to be able to place people when we get to that point to say, hey, we have, you know, the average class size is going to be about 10. So each of those classes will have 10.
Individuals that will be going through it.
The classes like facilities maintenance does have its own math and blueprint reading within the curriculum. I I’m thinking of offering it as a stand-alone because then I could engage. I could engage other people that might wait for those few, you know.
For the next class to start after after we get through one one session. So just a way of getting ahead of it, you know, we’ll have to figure out how to how to manage the logistics of, you know, OK, if we offer math and blueprint reading and it’s included in a curriculum.

Christopher Martin 27:20
True.

Robert Torres 27:35
You know how to how do we manage that? But I like the idea of of offering some standalone construction basics and safety, maybe OSHA 10 on the side so we can get people engaged in the center and and.

Christopher Martin 27:46
OK.

Robert Torres 27:52
And kind of build up the wait list, right for the for when the full class, you know, whether it’s plumbing, HVAC, welding, electromechanical, you know when those classes open up then we we can have a another set of people ready to go.

Jon O’Brien 28:04
1.

Christopher Martin 28:10
Yeah, backlog is always good, right? Well, Robert, thank you, thank you so much for joining us today. This has been very informative and and knowing that there’s an option out there for contractors as well as individuals who are looking for a career.

Jon O’Brien 28:10
Yeah.

Robert Torres 28:14
Mhm.

Christopher Martin 28:28
It’s definitely worth to check it out. Check out Tech Centro online. Feel free to call our friend Robert and talk to him a little bit more. And thank you.

Jon O’Brien 28:28
Yeah.

Robert Torres 28:41
Yeah, no, thank you for the opportunity. And yeah, by all means, if anybody’s interested in getting more information, please, you have a resource account [email protected]. I’ll see those emails or you can call our main number and if you leave a message, I’ll certainly.